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Jiddu Krishnamurti On Love and Relationship

 LOVE AND RELATIONSHIP

In the following passage we find JK linking thought, identification and possessiveness, the sense of me-mine that is at the root of all conflict:

“It is thought that is breeding violence – my house, my property, my wife, my husband, my country, my God, my belief, which is utter nonsense. Who is doing this, creating this everlasting ‘me’ opposed to the rest? Who is doing it? Education, society, the establishment, the church are all doing it, because I am part of all that.”

“Thought must inevitably divide; look what has happened. Thought says ‘Nationalism is pretty rotten, it has led to all kinds of war and mischief, let us have brotherhood, let us be united’. So thought forms a league of nations or United Nations, but thought is still operating separatively and maintaining separation: you who are an Italian, you keep your Italian sovereignty and so on. Talk about brotherhood and yet keep separate, which is hypocrisy; that is a function of thought to play double games with itself.” (On Mind and Thought, pg. 24, Saanen, 23rd July, 1970)

 

This sense of possession is isolating and isolation is different from aloneness:

 

“I am isolated when I build a wall of resistance round myself. I resist. I resist any criticism, any new idea, I am afraid, I want to protect myself, I don’t want to be hurt. And therefore, that brings about in my action a self-centred activity, which is an isolating process. Is that clear? And most of us are isolating ourselves. I have been hurt and I don’t want to be hurt. The memory of that hurt remains and therefore I resist. Or I believe in Jesus and Krishna or whatever it is, and I resist any question of doubt, any criticizing of my belief because I have taken security in my belief. That isolates. That isolation may include thousands of people, millions of people, but it is still isolation. When I say I am Catholic or a Communist or whatever, I am isolating myself. And aloneness is entirely different, it is not the opposite of isolation – but listen to this carefully – having an insight into isolation. That insight is aloneness.” (On Mind and Thought, pg. 37, Saanen, 18th July, 1972)

My ego is my world and my relationship is only with what is within my world, within my grasp. I identify with my job, with my house, with my property and this breeds separateness or division because now I resist and am opposed to anything that robs me of my possession or hurts my sense of identity. I want to be secure in my possession and so I come into conflict with others. My possessions, my self-interest conflicts with yours. This is isolating and isolation prevents relationship:

Relationship means to be related means to respond to each other in freedom, with its responsibility. So, what place has thought in relationship? Thought which is capable of remembering, imagining, contriving, designing, calculating: what place has it in human relationship? Has it any place at all…. Is thought love? Don’t deny it, we are inquiring, going into it. What is our relationship when we live together in a house, husband, wife, friend, what is our relationship? Is it based on thought, then relationship becomes mechanistic. And for most of us that is the relationship we have with each other – mechanistic. I mean by mechanistic the image created by thought about you and me. The images that one creates, defends through a number of years, or through a number of days. You have built an image about me and I have built an image about you, which is the product of thought. The image becomes the defence, the resistance, the calculation, I build a wall around myself and a wall around you, and you build a wall around yourself and a wall around me – this is called relationship, which is a fact. (On Mind and Thought, pg. 45, Saanen, 20th July, 1972)

The key aspect of relationship is ‘responding to each other in freedom’ but we treat the other as a tool for our own happiness and this leads JK to the conclusion that our worldly love is not real love because we are always trying to dominate another, to make another subservient and so there is no integration with another:

“We do not love and let it alone but crave to be loved; we give in order to receive, which is generosity of the mind and not the heart.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 1, pg. 38)

“Love is a strange thing, as long as thought is woven through it, it is not love. When you think of someone you love, that person becomes a symbol of pleasant sensations, memories, images; but that is not love.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 2, pg. 11)

“If there is the benediction of that love, you cannot but love me whatever I may be, for then you do not shape love according to my behaviour. Whatever tricks the mind may play, you and I are separate; though we may be in touch with each other at some points, integration is not with you, but within myself. This integration is not brought about by the mind at any time; it comes into being only when the mind is utterly silent, having reached the end of its own tether. Only then is there no pain in relationship.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 1, pg. 39)

Where there is suffering there is no love. Clearly JK believes that separation is based on identification and till there is separation there can be no genuine relationship. The feelings of pain, loneliness, jealousy etc. are alien to love:

“Love and emptiness cannot abide together; when there is feeling of loneliness, love is not. You may hide emptiness under the word ‘love’ but when the object of love is no longer there or does not respond, then you are aware of loneliness, you are frustrated. We use the word ‘love’ as a means of escaping from ourselves, from our own insufficiency. We cling to the one we love, we are jealous, we miss him when he is not there and are utterly lost when he dies; and then we seek comfort in some other form, in some belief, in some substitute. Is all this love? Love is not an idea, the result of association; love is not something to be used as an escape from our wretchedness; and when we do use it, we make problems which have no solutions. Love is not an abstraction, but its reality can be experienced only when idea, mind, is no longer the supreme factor.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 1, pg. 113)

We cannot become complete through another but must be complete in ourself and only then can we love another. The completeness achieved through another comes with an expiry date and it perishes when the object of love perishes or when that person seems to be no longer the same person we loved. Through possessing another we try to be complete and hence there is pain and anguish in love:

“Love implies - doesn’t it? – that those who are loved be left wholly free to grow in their fullness, to be something greater than social machines. Love does not compel either openly or through the subtle threat of duties and responsibilities. When there is any form of compulsion or exertion of authority, there is no love.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 3, pg. 147)

“Wisdom comes with the understanding of one’s relationship with the field, with the passer-by, with the fleeting thought. To withdraw is to isolate oneself in order to find, it is to put an end to discovery. Relationship leads to aloneness that is not of isolation. There must be an aloneness, not of the enclosing mind, but of freedom. The complete is the alone, and incompleteness seeks the way of isolation.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 2, pg. 105)

In possessing another we make another an object, a tool for our gratification and another person may be happy to be a tool for someone but this is not love:

“When we use each other for mutual gratification, can there be any relationship between us? When you use another for your comfort, as you use a piece of furniture, are you related to that person? Are you related to the furniture? You may call it yours and that is all but you have no relationship with it. Similarly, when you use another for your psychological or physical advantage, you generally call that person yours., you possess him or her; and is possession relationship? The state uses the individual and calls him its citizen; but it has no relationship with the individual, it merely uses him as a tool. A tool is a dead thing, and there can be no relationship with that which is dead. When we use a man for a purpose, however noble, we want him as an instrument, a dead thing. We cannot use a living thing, so our demand is for dead things; our society is based on the use of dead things. The use of another person makes that person the dead instrument of our gratification. Relationship can exist only between living, and usage is a process of isolation. It is this isolating process that breeds conflict.

Why do you lay so much emphasis on relationship?

Existence is relationship; to be is to be related. Relationship is society. The structure of our present society, being based on mutual use, bring about violence, destruction and misery; and if the so-called revolutionary State, does not fundamentally alter this usage, it can only produce, perhaps at a different level, still further conflict, confusion and antagonism. As long as we psychologically need and use each other, there can be no relationship. Relationship is communion; and how can there be communion if there is exploitation? Exploitation implies fear, and fear inevitably leads to all kinds of illusions and misery. Conflict exists only in exploitation and not in relationship. Conflict, opposition, enmity exists between us when there is the use of another as a means of pleasure, achievement. The conflict obviously cannot be resolved by using it as a means to a self-projected goal; and all ideals, all utopias are self-projected. To see this is essential, for then we shall experience the truth that conflict in any form destroys relationship, understanding…. All acquisition is conflict; all becoming is a process of isolation. The mind is not quiet when it is disciplined, controlled and checked; such a mind is a dead mind, it is isolating itself through various forms of resistance, and so it inevitably creates misery for itself and others.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 2, pg. 32-33)

Even parental love succumbs to this analysis:

“What parents call duty is not love, it is a form of compulsion; and society will support the parents, for what they are doing is very respectable. The parents are anxious for the boy to find a secure job and earn some money; but with such an enormous population, there are a thousand candidates for every job, and the parents think the boy can never earn a livelihood through painting; so, they try to force him to get over what they regard as his foolish whim. They consider it a necessity for him to conform to society, to be respectable and secure. This is called love. But is it love? Or is it fear covered over by the word ‘love’?” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 3, pg. 147-148)

The Commentaries on Living, Vol. 2 (pg. 138-141) record a very uncomfortable conversation with a widow. JK mentions she was the wife of a well-known man who held a high position in the government and JK mentions, “she had that peculiar atmosphere of power and wealth, the assurance of one long accustomed to be obeyed and getting things done.” Perhaps this perception led to the question, “Do you love your husband or do you love the things which came about through him.” She is shocked but JK persists that ‘uncovering the truth of that question there may be the discovery of what love is.’ JK assumes that the question has a truth and she was unaware of what love is. Startled with this line of questioning she suspects herself and leaves. Another day she visits JK again. This time JK notes that ‘his death had left marks on her face, and soon bitterness and resentment were showing themselves in her talk.’ She tells JK that her line of questioning had disturbed her. Further she mentions that love is a mixture and that in loving her husband there was part love for the man and part ambition. She is not ready to admit that she did not love her husband. JK’s response goes as follows: “is it love when there is complete identification with another. And is not this identification a round about way of giving importance to oneself? Is it love when there is sorrow of loneliness, the pain of being deprived of things that seemingly gave significance to life? To be cut off from ways of self-fulfilment, from the things that self has lived on, is the denial of self-importance, and this brings about disenchantment, bitterness, the misery of isolation. And is this misery love?” And as we know where there is suffering there cannot be love because suffering is a sign of selfishness. We don’t cry for the sake of another, we cry for our own loss. Her confusion however exacerbates. She says, “You are trying to tell me are you not, that I did not love my husband at all? I am really appalled at myself, when you put it that way.” Yet she seems to accept that there may be some truth to it but she is really confused, “I wonder if I have been even listening to you now, or merely seeking out a reason to justify myself!” If she tells herself that she really loved her husband, then in it there may be self-deception and this possibility she cannot rule out because of what JK says. In this conversation JK has become an authority figure who has insinuated a doubt in her, he knows what she doesn’t and he wants her to see something she cannot see and the blame for not seeing it belongs to her because she is deceiving herself. All the same, she also mentions, “suddenly I find myself alone, without anything to work for.” Her ambition seems to have left her after her husband’s death. But perhaps her self-image was hurt by JK and she was seeking to validate herself. There is however nothing she can do to escape this logic.

 

Our worldly love has been completely deprived of any value altogether because it is not love at all. It is difficult not to see this as cynicism. From the above passages the basic pattern of reasoning is, a) love is mechanistic because it responds according to a pattern based on the image, we have of another, b) it is an escape from our inner void to seek security or comfort in another, c) the desire to give is motivated by expectation of a reward, d) there is no integration with another till one is incomplete in oneself, otherwise another is being used a tool for our own gratification. 

 

RESPONSIBILITY

 

In the passages below JK says that freedom and responsibility go together:

“Freedom implies responsibility. And therefore, freedom means care, diligence, not negligence. Not doing what you want to do which is what is happening in America. Do what you want to do, which is not freedom but permissiveness which breeds irresponsibility.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 61)

If it is neither restrictions nor permissiveness then what is responsibility:

“We don’t feel responsible. We don’t feel responsible because people in authority, politically and religiously are responsible. We are not. This is the general feeling all over the world.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 51)

“By delegating responsibility to you I become irresponsible. Whereas now we are saying, no one is responsible except you, because you are the world and the world is you. You have created the mess, you alone can bring about clarity, and therefore you are totally, utterly, completely responsible. And nobody else. Now that means you have to be a light to yourself, not take the light of a professor, or an analyst, or a psychologist, or the light of Jesus, or the light of the Buddha. You have to be a light to yourself in a world that is becoming utterly dark. That means you have to be responsible. Now, what does that word mean? It means really to respond totally, adequately to every challenge. You cannot respond adequately if you are rooted in the past, because the challenge is new, otherwise it is not a challenge, a crisis is new, otherwise it is not a crisis. If I respond to a crisis in terms of a pre-conceived plan, which the communists do, or the Catholics do, or the Protestants and so on, then they are not responding totally and adequately to the challenge” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 51-52)

“….. responsibility means total commitment to the challenge, responding completely adequately, completely to a crisis. The word responsibility means that - to respond. I cannot respond completely if I am frightened, or I cannot respond completely if I am seeking pleasure, I cannot respond completely if my action is routine, repetitive, traditional, conditioned. So, to respond adequately means that the ‘me’ which is the past has to end.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 52)

 “The intent, the urge, the feeling of total responsibility and of action, the ‘doing’ not ‘I will do’. All that is implied in the word seriousness.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 42)

 

To be responsible is to respond completely, where there is a formula to act, where there is the ‘me’, pleasure, routine, tradition, there is incompleteness which is what we find in human relationships today, one person seeking to be complete through another. The action that is adequate and complete proceeds from the absence of ‘me’. The ‘intent’, the ‘urge’, the ‘feeling of total responsibility’, is something that is not to be found in the ‘me’, so this ‘feeling’ we assume is something that is not in the field of pleasure and pain.

 

ALONENESS

 

Relationship with another human being is possible only when there is freedom and where there is freedom there is responsibility and aloneness:

 

“To live alone needs great intelligence; to live alone and yet be pliable is arduous. To live alone, without the wall of self-enclosing gratifications, needs extreme alertness; for a solitary life encourages sluggishness, habits that are confronting and hard to break. A single life encourages isolation, and only the wise can live without harm to themselves and to others. Wisdom is alone, but a lonely path does not lead to wisdom. Isolation is death, and wisdom is not found in withdrawal. There is no path to wisdom, for all paths are separate, exclusive. In their very nature paths can only lead to isolation, though these isolations are called unity, the whole, the one and so on. A path is an exclusive process; the means is exclusive and the end is as the means. The means is not separate from the goal, the ‘what should be’. Wisdom comes with one’s understanding of the relationship with field, with the passer-by, with the fleeting thought. To withdraw is to isolate oneself in order to find, is to put an end to discovery. Relationship leads to an aloneness that is not of isolation. There must be an aloneness, not of the enclosing mind, but of freedom. The complete is the alone, and incompleteness seeks the way of isolation.” (Commentaries on Living Vol. 2, pg. 105).

 

To be alone is not to withdraw from the world, an escape from responsibility and relationship, it is not to become an ascetic. To be alone is to be complete in oneself and yet related to another because there cannot be existence without relationship, unless you are an ordinary man.

 

CRITICISM


 

There is a plethora of relationships, parent with children, husband and wife, teacher and student, of one friend with another, of government and citizen. Each relationship is different and there are different norms governing them. How would these relationships look like in JK’s ideal society? Let’s see the relation between teacher and child:

“…. when the teacher, the educator realizes that he is hurt and the child is hurt, when he is aware of his hurt, and he is also aware of the child’s hurt, then the relationship changes. Then he will in the very act of teaching mathematics, or whatever it is, not only be freeing himself of his hurt but also helping the child to be free of his hurt. After all that is education: to see that I, who am the teacher, am hurt, I have gone through agonies of hurt and I want to help that child not to be hurt and he has come to the school being hurt. So, I say, ‘All right my friend we both are hurt, let us see, let’s help each other to wipe it out’. That is the action of love.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 159)

I wonder whether that child is going to find the time to study mathematics or the teacher to teach him. Realizing that problem JK gracefully, after two pages, restricts the timing to teach the child how not to be hurt to ten minutes. Ten minutes is what it takes to solve the entire problem of the world. What is important is that the relation of teacher to child should be one where there must be healing of the child and the teacher because only if the teacher understands his hurts can he help the child get past his. And further about parent and child:

“So, sir, when you feel responsible there is flowering of a real affection, a flowering of care for a child, and you don’t train him or condition him to go and kill another for the sake of your country. You follow? All that is involved in responsibility. So, we come to a point where, since the human being, is now so conditioned to be irresponsible, what are the serious people going to do with the irresponsible people? You understand? Education, politics, religion, everything is making human beings irresponsible. I am not exaggerating, this is so.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 64)

“When you feel responsible, feel responsible for the education of your children, not only yours, all children. Are you educating them to conform to society, are you educating them to merely acquire a job? ……What is your responsibility, if you feel responsible, for human growth, human culture, human goodness? What’s your responsibility to the Earth? It is a tremendous thing to feel responsible. Also, you see with responsibility goes love, care, attention.” (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 60)

Where there is dependence on another there is abdication of responsibility. To not depend on another is to be alone, to be alone is to be free. To be free yet involves relationship with another which is not to have an image of another and that implies responsibility to another and responsibility means co-operation (A Wholly Different Way of Living, pg. 58). It is assumed that when what makes us separate ends, then there is unity or co-operation. People co-operate when they do not psychologically depend on one another. What JK informs us about relationships is only negative, I won’t destroy what I love, won’t send my children to the army to get killed, if I have an image about myself, if I want to be successful, there is no relationship to my wife, if I am responsible, I will not compare my child to another or in any manner hurt me child. It is a myth that hurt is important in order to live, the child cannot blossom with goodness if he is hurt. Where there is hurt there is no attention. In Awakening of Intelligence, pg. 76, JK says that to be related is to be united without division, no fragmentation. If I am busy with my selfish pursuits, I cannot be related to another. Also (pg. 93) where there is love, there is no attachment, aloneness is non-attachment and attachment is isolation. In short, where there is the me, there is no relationship. 

In this scheme of things there is nothing specific, no norms that distinguishes the teacher-student relation from parent-child relation. A parent’s duty is to educate his child to the harmful effects of mechanical thought and the teacher does the same. There is no me, there is no mine, there is no my child and I am now responsible for the education of all children. In ‘This Matter of Culture’, pg. 61, a child asks JK why do we love our mothers, to which JK responds, “If you really love your mother, don’t you also love your father, your aunt, your neighbour, your servant? Don’t you have the feeling of love first, and then the love of someone in particular?” What however is the relation of this universal love with the ‘someone in particular’? Is it not different in relation to different people? Moreover, what is the relation of the ‘responsible’ consciousness to the irresponsible one? According to JK love has no opposite and so no relation to hate? How can a responsible person have then a relation to an irresponsible one? Yet, JK tells us that it is the duty of the responsible person to make the irresponsible fellow aware of the dangers of violence and the entire structure of thought that perpetuates it. But the irresponsible fellow can build a wall around himself and remain invulnerable to the teachings of the enlightened man:

“JK: I hate another loves. My wife loves and I hate. She can talk to me, she can point it out to me, the unreasonableness and so on, but her love is not going to transform the source of my hatred.

David Bohm (DB): That’s clear, yes, except her love is the energy which will be behind the talk.

JK: Behind the talk, yes.

DB: The love itself does not go in there and dissolve the hate.

JK: Of course not, that is romantic and all that business. So, the man who hates and has an insight into the source of it, the cause of it, the movement of it, and ends it, has the other.

DB: Yes, I think that we say A is the man who has seen all this and he now has the energy to put it to B – it is up to B what happens.” (On Mind and Thought, pg. 93, see also The Ending of Time, pg. 175-176)

All this energy will be useless against the wall that B builds around itself, this universal energy is now sensitive to individual differences. Only if B ends the movement of thought that builds that wall, can the energy finally affect B. But is that energy transferred or is it the result of B’s overcoming his wall? If B does not end his conditioning, what responsibility does A have towards B? What is the relation that an enlightened man has towards society? In the Ending of Time, Ch. 8, JK discusses the enlightened man’s relation to society. The ordinary man does not know what love and compassion is, so he has no relationship with the enlightened man (pg. 163-164). But then JK tells us there is division and the ordinary man has atleast some contact with the enlightened man, a superficial relationship. The relation of the enlightened man to the ordinary man is to tell the latter that he is in darkness and needs to come out of it. The ground, the immensity in the enlightened man must have an effect on mankind and the enlightened man is the vehicle through which the ground affects common consciousness (pg. 168-169). When DB asks whether the effect will show or manifest in any way JK responds ‘apparently not’, but ‘it must have an effect’, ‘because light must affect darkness’ (pg. 170). In his daily life, the enlightened man is not different from anyone else but the ‘ground’ can affect the consciousness of mankind only through him (pg. 171). Further, DB asks why the ground, the immensity cannot directly affect mankind and requires the mediation of the enlightened man? JK says it is ‘part of existence’. The ground does not need the man, the man has touched the ground and so must convey that energy to others. The ground works through him because he does nothing and that doing nothing is the doing, the action of the ground (pg. 173). The ground doesn’t need the man, the man is not the tool of the ground but the ground operates on common consciousness of mankind through the enlightened man because the man has touched the ground. That immensity must have an effect on mankind but if man does not get past his conditioning, then the energy has no effect either and it cannot go in the individual mind and dissolve his desires, fears etc. This immense energy has no way to penetrate through the wall built by man around himself and when it affects him, man has already moved outside his wall. So, it is still not clear, how an enlightened being who is free and alone, still in relation to someone else.  

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